Mr Snyder, I’ve known that I was gay since I was nine years old. I can assure you that in all that time, I’ve never once hidden, apologized for, or been ashamed of who I am.

— Reid (to Luke)

Pay (no) attention to the man behind the curtain…

Musings on the spoilers*, the endgame, sex and love

*This article is as spoiler-free as I could make it, but caveat reader.

For starters, I owe everyone, myself included, an ENORMOUS apology for raising any hopes with th Thu Sep 2 pre-episode blog. I have written elsewhere that I am privy to NO INSIDER information, so any views expressed here are 100% speculation and (in this case, not so) educated guesswork.

In the September 2nd live-blog pre-entries, I wrote that I would be “completely and utterly gobsmacked’ if I were wrong, and those words don’t even begin to express how completely stunned and disappointed I am at how this storyline is playing out.

[spoiler]I have been following published spoilers (and spumors when ubiquitous and unavoidable) and have held out hope that even Reid’s death by train might possibly be played out with respect to the characters and emotional resonance. So far, I’m underwhelmed.[/spoiler]

To date,  instead of being moved by the ending, I find that I am overcome with emotion directed at the behind-the-scenes process (writing and marketing) guiding these last three weeks of scenes, not the on-air scenes themselves. I have watched ATWT off and on for approx. 25-30 years and tend to be easily emotionally manipulated by TV and movies. For me to have completely lost focus on the last on-air scenes, of the show’s storied 54-year run, to the point of lacking any real feeling for the stories themselves, is in and of itself a tragedy.

In the Wizard of Oz, the Wizard goes out of his way to create a magical illusion – all the way to the end – only revealing the nuts and bolts when clever Toto discovers his secret and he can hide it no longer. Even then, he blathers on about “Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain….”

However, in the case of As the World Turns, it has been just the opposite.

Beginning with endgame spoilers leaked as early as June 18th – nearly  three whole months before the final episode on September 17th – this show has been plagued by a steady leak of mostly true rumors followed by mind-boggling spoilers in official interviews.

[spoiler]June 18th is the earliest reference I could find on LRO, which references the Luke/Reid/Noah triangle and one of them dying on a train. The source was DataLounge, and though it was not quite accurate, it seems too close too the truth to be the result of wholly uninformed speculation. Similar and increasingly more accurate spoilers have continued to leak unabated since.[/spoiler]

The “insider” sources of the rumors should be banned from working in television for violating their non-disclosure agreements. If they were not asked to sign  non-disclosure agreements, then their management at CBS and Telenext should be sued by shareholders for dereliction of duty and not looking after shareholder interests.

Arguably, TPTB should be sued for dereliction of duties anyways for themselves allowing spoiler-filled interviews to be conducted, giving viewers yet another big excuse not to tune in (as if availability of entertainment alternatives and a diminishing pool of network and daytime viewers weren’t sufficient).

On August 9th, nearly six weeks before the finale, series Executive Producer Chris Goutman’s spoiler-laden interview with TV Guide’s Michael Logan was published, where he telegraphed that overall, the endgame would feature “lots of love and happy endings….including two big weddings, some major romantic reconciliations and a final episode — featuring pretty much the entire cast — that’s all about new beginnings.”

He then went on to list by name the majority of the characters and their endings, and in doing so, ruined the suspense that keeps many viewers tuned in from day to day.

Michael Fairman, in his On-Air On Soaps! blog, responded to reader comments, saying, “I wish this never actually came out on TVG. I think it would have [been] better to let us all ride it out till the bitter end. But, I had to make the decision to post it or not, and I knew it was already out there on the internet and I would be remiss not to give the fans of this website the choice to read it…Perhaps it’s ambiguous enough that we are all reading into what Logan and Goutman are truly saying? Not sure about that.”

Similarly, Karen Riel, a Soap Opera Source columnist who covers ATWT, wrote in her column titled ‘Too Much Information (Spoils the Fun)”: “Writing a fresh column has been a huge challenge ever since As the World Turns executive producer Christopher "Loose Lips" Goutman granted that now- infamous interview to Michael Logan of TV Guide….For really, what is there to say after the boss of the entire show has let almost every cat out of the proverbial bag?…[K]nowing how most of the major storylines will end really takes a lot of the fun out of the finale. Even when it wasn’t difficult to see where these plots were going, having (almost) every suspicion confirmed is deflating.”

By doing so, Goutman took the focus off the storyline and the characters, and put it squarely on himself and the rest of the creative staff, as viewers asked the obvious questions: “Is there a trick? There must be something he hasn’t told us? Why would he tell us everything?”

Since then, at fan events, where fans have looked the actors in the eyes and begged for reassurances, the actors have been tight-lipped, toeing the party line (“just watch.”) It’s probably a smart thing for their sanity, even if it’s not contractually obligated (which it should be).

However, in the meantime, a number of additional spoiler-filled interviews have been granted. On August 11th, Nelson Branco of TV Guide Canada published an interview with Eric Sheffer Stevens where he responded to a question about whether Luke and Reid would ever consummate their relationship by saying, “It is nice that World Turns is building up to that big moment. I think because Reid and Luke know each other very well and they’ve embarked on this beautiful journey together, their first time will be very meaningful.”

This was reinforced by fan reports from the Paley Center tribute where an unnamed, but clearly show-connected source gave a very savvy and skeptical fan very clear indication that Luke and Reid would indeed consummate their relationship on screen.

In the last week or so, interviews with Van Hansis in Soap Opera Digest and Soap Opera Weekly went on to confirm many of the former spumors that have been floating around the internet for ages. I don’t fault the actors for honestly answering the questions posed of them, but I seriously question the business and artistic judgment of the creative and marketing/publicity executives who must  have approved the content and timing of these interviews.

So instead of focusing on the storylines, and letting ourselves be emotionally moved by what we see on our screens – whether we  be elated or gutted – fans who care enough to at all beyond the aired footage have been virtually unable to avoid the spoilers and are instead focused on why a particular ending was selected and  how the actors feel about their roles, pre-judging the storylines before they’ve had a chance to see the scenes on-air.

I have long enjoyed spoilers as they frequently tease and entice, but are generally open to broad interpretation, so they don’t necessarily give away the outcome. Not so with the spoilers regarding ATWT’s final 3-4 weeks.

For a non-negligible group of viewers, the story has indeed been “spoiled.” And rather than being humbled and ashamed, as the Wizard when discovered, it almost seems like the ATWT management instead are proud to make the behind-the-scenes sausage-making public. But like for Dorothy, once the secrets were revealed, the spectacle of Oz, however wonderful it still might have appeared on the surface, had lost its magic.

Heavy references to spoilers follow:

[spoiler]

For the past four months, this show has been building towards a tremendous implied climax for Luke and Reid (in more ways than one). The frequent and thinly veiled references to sex were ubiquitous, and with Noah out of the picture, it seemed clear that Luke and Reid were well on their way to a committed, and loving relationship.

Yet what we have gotten is:

  • No true intimacy (brushing lint of collars does not count)
  • Very little relationship building (cute moments are nice, but like junk food, they have not had enough screen time together for it to be truly satisfying)
  • And not one, but two blown opportunities for a heartfelt declaration of love

Instead of watching their relationship develop, we are given a play-by-play “Oh, so is this a relationship?”, violating the basic “telling vs showing” tenet of writing. As viewers, we’ve had to infer much of the relationship building, filling in huge gaps in intra-episode continuity with our imagination, or “missing scene fan fiction.”

Meanwhile, our screens have been filled with innumerable immaterial storylines (Janet’s father’s funeral, Craig/Gabriel other than as a prop for Craig/Lily/Lucinda, Parker/Faith/Liberty, Blackie/Ralph/anyone, Iris) or extraneous scenes that were never needed.

The L Word

I’ll come back to the intimacy issue. But let me start with the declarations of love. When I first took down the “L Word’” poll (Who will say “I love you” first?), I did so after the preview clip where Reid says, “If I’m going to put myself out there, fall in love with you….” thinking that it would inevitably lead to a declaration of love.

However, since then, we have Reid’s hypothetical reference to falling in love, and Luke’s sort-of confession “Yes, I told Noah that I was in love with you” (not only a complement clause, I believe, but one in past tense). Yesm it’s pretty clear to non-Nuke fans that these are implied statements of love, but the dialgue represents the two most wishy-washy declarations of love I have ever heard.

So perhaps a portion of the mainstream public are not ready to watch two gay men have sex (my views on that to come in a later post, but for purposes of argument, for now, I’ll play along with it). With Luke and Noah, we had things like “Same here” and written confessions. But is it really so hard to allow two gay men to look each other in the eyes and just flat out say “I love you” or “I’m in love with you?”

Yes, I realize Reid has people and intimacy issues and Luke is fragile from his relationship with Noah – that’s part of why I adore them so much and believe they’re right for each other. But with the emotional build-up in this storyline, I expected to be blown away by a meaningful confession of love. Of course, we may still get that, but like with much else, the emotional impact has been spoiled by the telegraphed almost-declarations (which were adorable, but lacked the emotional impact they could have had).

UPDATE, Sep 3 evening: Since I drafted this piece originally, we now at least have Reid’s confession of love, but the fact that it took two aborted tries, in what little screen time Luke and Reid have been given, is still appalling.

A Matter of Consummation

In terms of actually seeing the consummation on screen, I could go either way. I first saw Four Weddings and a Funeral on a plane trip, and was actually surprised when I later saw the love scene in the uncut R version instead of a classic cinematic “fade to black.” Overall, I felt that the chemistry between the Hugh Grant and Andie Macdowell characters was lukewarm and the movie was actually more enjoyable without it.

Luke and Reid wouldn’t have the “lukewarm” problem (!) but it doesn’t change the fact that I don’t need to actually see much on my screen to be convinced that something meaningful happened. I’ve read that Luke’s regret at not consummating the relationship makes it that much more tragic; unfortunately I just don’t buy it.

[spoiler]If I felt Luke were not quite ready, or just barely ready at the time of Reid’s death, I might buy it, but I don’t believe that’s how things have played out.[/spoiler]

The big problem for me here is that the show has spent four months (doing a really good job) convincing me that Luke and Reid really (REALLY) want each other. So that made me want them to consummate their relationship, for their sake, not mine (not that I would object…)

I have lost track of the number of times and ways Reid has made it clear he is dying to get Luke in bed (the subject of another future post, perhaps), but what is revealing to me is how many times it has played out that Luke is not only interested, but ready. If they weren’t going to give us a love scene, I believe it was misleading and poor storytelling (or perhaps just fear of backlash) to tease us so mercilessly.

We got our first hints of Luke’s interest in the post-surgery “I Can’t” scene, when Reid says to Luke “You know what you’re doing; so do I” and Luke (however briefly) continues. After much progress in their relationship, there are several additional signs:

  • July 14th (end of the Mona Cross arc) after Reid suggests: “Or we could just skip the movie and go back to your place,” although Luke looks uncertain initially, by the time Reid finishes his phone call with Bob and tells Luke they’ll need to postpone, Luke unquestionably looks disappointed. This is what threw me for a loop when the “I need time” scene later played. When Reid goes on to say, “You’re gonna have to get used to interruptions if you’re gonna be in a relationship with a neurosurgeon” was I the only one who mentally substituted the words “gay guy on a soap opera” for “neurosurgeon?”
  • July 26th when Luke suggests Reid bring his stethoscope to his place. Aw, c’mon. Knowing where Reid is in the relationship, even Luke’s not that big a tease.
  • August 10th when Luke kisses Reid and tells him to “Go inside. There’s no one home.” Any questions?
  • August 31st when Luke says “All I need is a bed and some privacy.” Who on earth would stop for a baby rattle? Really, show, really?

Combined with the well-played kisses and innuendo on screen, plus Eric’s “Their first time will be very meaningful” statement (which at this point I chalk up to a grammatical gremlin or an unaired scene) and the Paley Center fan report had me convinced that TPTB would indeed take advantage of the end of the show to break new ground. Trent Dawson had some very funny quote which I can’t recall, but it was essentially, “What are they going to do to us, cancel our birthdays?

But with the known spoilers, by the end of Wednesday’s (September 1st) episode, I was pessimistic. Then came the unexpected preview for Luke and Reid having airtime on Thursday September 2nd.

Although never a Nuke follower, I was aware both of their historical context, and how their lone on-screen love scene made it to the air. The fact that the stars aligned to replicate this scenario gave me renewed hope, and so I wrote my initial post.

Parallels to Nuke’s First Time

So, on the morning of Thursday, September 2nd, I wrote:

ORIGINALLY POSTED IN THE SEP 2 LIVEBLOG:

Not to get anyone’s hopes up, but I would be remiss if I didn’t point out that the way today’s episode was introduced is promising. However, if this promise is not fulfilled, I will be completely and utterly gobsmacked. Really.

Luke told Reid (August 3rd): “When things are right, they happen.” And then he just told Noah that “Yes,” he and Reid are right. Sounds like it’s time for things to “happen.”

In the meantime, behind the scenes, up until today, there have been NO spoilers about Luke and Reid being on today. The similarities between this and a certain moment in Nuke history can’t remain unnoted.

On January 13, 2009, Michael Jensen wrote on AfterElton.com:

“Five hundred and fourteen days after their first meeting, Luke and Noah, two young gay characters on the CBS soap opera As the World Turns, finally had sex yesterday. The length of time it’s taken them to consummate their relationship, unusual in a medium that is well-known for its heterosexual bed-hopping, had led to frustration on the part of some fans and raised speculation that the show’s sponsor was wary over the same-sex subject matter. Yesterday’s event caught many viewers by surprise as the show had not publicized the milestone beforehand.

Last year, fans of Luke and Noah (commonly referred to as “Nuke”) were frustrated when it seemed as if the producers of the show were refusing to show the two teen characters kiss. The show went 211 days between on-screen kisses, creating a controversy that eventually spilled over to the mainstream media.

On April 23rd of last year, the characters were finally shown kissing again, and have kissed many times since. But whenever the characters talked about having sex, something always seemed to come between them….

(TV Guide’s Michael) Logan suspects the producers of As the World Turns were trying to thread a very thin needle….“Perhaps the show was being savvy by making fans wait,” he says, noting that it harkens back to an era several decades ago when even heterosexual relationships proceeded this slowly in order to build up viewer anticipation….

“They thought they could have their cake and eat it too,” Logan says. “They may have miscalculated this particular audience. Then again, they have a lot of people to please.”

As for the lack of promotion for this new turn of events, Logan points out that it may have been a deliberate strategy to avoid giving protesters a chance to pressure the network from cutting the storyline.

“Are they being savvy or scared?” he says. “I don’t know.”

As if that doesn’t sound eerily familiar enough, take a look at Henry Seltzer’s piece, The Gays Go All the Way in Daytime, published around the same time at The Daily Beast:

Since that fateful exchange of spit, the characters [Luke and Noah] have naturally faced countless obstacles….

As the months wore on, the sexual tension between Luke and Noah (affectionately dubbed Nuke and Loah) grew. They kissed increasingly frequently and with decreasingly little fanfare from blogs, but they never went all the way. They did talk about sex—and what their first time would be like—but it never came anywhere near their horizon. Like everything in their relationship, intimacy was shown through incredibly compelling dialogue.

The inseparable pair talked about everything. Their feelings were always expressed (thanks in large part to head writer Jean Passanante, who happens to be responsible for two other gay characters in soap history) if not physically acted on….

It’s difficult to explain to non-viewers how earnest and well-drawn Luke and Noah’s relationship is. It was a task I felt ready to tackle after mildly (okay, very) obsessively watching the program (and getting hooked on the other plot lines in the process) for nearly two years now….

For me at least, what makes Luke and Noah unique in television—and especially daytime—is that by not jumping in bed together, they’re defying a classic gay stereotype. Indeed, many critics and gay bloggers accused As the World Turns (and Proctor and Gamble’s production company) of having a double standard, since straight characters are routinely promiscuous.

In my view, the writers were holding the characters to a higher standard that should be applauded.

Who needs to see them shirtless between the sheets and read between the lines? As the World Turns is not The L Word or Queer as Folk. And for all its cliché, it’s not as stereotypical as Will & Grace or Sex and the City when it comes to gay characters. Nor is it Brokeback Mountain.

Their epic relationship has lasted over a year. If that’s forever in daytime (especially considering their collegiate age), it’s an eternity in gay years—and, let’s face it, that’s a really long time to wait.

The more I watched As the World Turns, the less I actually wanted them to have sex.

So it came as a quite a shock, when on Monday’s episode they rekindled their broken union by…having sex.

Without any warning or hysterics, the show took that unexpected turn and went where no daytime drama—and few primetime shows—has dared: Luke and Noah were shown post-coital, sheets ruffled

So, many parallels, and a sobering reminder of just how far we’ve come (EDIT, 9/2: little) has changed in three years. Yes, ATWT, Luke and Noah did break ground and should be applauded for it. But now the expectations are so much higher: Noah and Luke were well drawn and their dialogue compelling? Really? And they went 211 days? Granted, the kiss clock on this site desperately needs to be reset, but it maxed out at barely over two months and should have been reset 3 or 4 times since, and we have gotten some nice passionate kisses along the way (not just chaste pecks on the cheeks).

An interesting walk down memory lane – and hopefully foreshadowing of what’s ahead in today’s episode. Then, as for the applause and expectations for the next two weeks? The jury is out and they are not going to be easy to convince.

Postscript

Now, in hindsight, Thursday’s episode was the last likely opportunity for any real intimacy between Luke and Reid (because geez, who wants to have sex when someone they care about – even in a once-removed kind of way – is on the brink of death?), I find myself bitterly disappointed at the failure of TPTB to finish what they started.

Not only do I retract my earlier post that there has been progress, I now clearly see regression.

  • According to a poster at Wikipedia, throughout the month of August 2008, every episode featuring Luke and Noah also included at least one kiss (this is unverified).  In August 2010, when Luke and Reid were in a “relationship” the three straight episodes featuring kisses made me think we would finally see them depicted as other couples. But since then, their combined airtime has dropped, and many of their scenes have not been with each other. The storyline has largely gone out of its way to ensure that Luke and Reid are barely in the same room, never mind in private. In countless opportunities to show non-sexual intimacy – where straight couples might have kissed, hugged, or otherwise embraced or touched – Luke and Reid have largely shared awkward smiles and a chaste touch of the arm or shoulder. That would have been bad enough, but knowing the upcoming spoilers made it all that much worse.
  • In January 2009, when Nuke finally had sex, blogger Snarky Amber wrote on MamaPop.com “According to the "consummation clock" at AfterElton.com, Luke and Noah first became a couple 514 days before doing the deed. In soap time, that’s approximately seventy three years…this is truly a big step for the soap community. Who would have thought that one of the most well-written, well-explored and open gay relationships on television would be on a soap? Not I. But it is, and I tip my hat to the writers of As The World Turns for finally (FINALLY) treating the story of two healthy, young men who are in love in a realistic (for a soap) way.…And let’s make this commonplace enough that fangirls don’t have to write stop-the-presses articles about it, please?”
  • Similarly, AfterElton.com’s Brent Hartinger wrote: “Last year, AfterElton.com replaced its “Liplock Clock”, which had counted the days between “Nuke” kisses, with a “Consummation Clock”, which had been counting down the days until the couple ended up in bed together. Given the events of yesterday, it has since been reset (and may now need to be retired completely).”

Sadly, Hartinger’s observations were prescient – the clock could have been retired in January 2009– but not because gay sex became routine on daytime, but because in the remaining two years of ATWT, the show’s gay characters were never once given an additional love scene.

ATWT has teased us for months with generous innuendo, Luke and Reid’s red-hot chemistry, intense kisses, and deepening emotional  bonds. Yet to date, they have given us neither a satisfying physical nor emotional climax. Along the way, they plotted out their tragic endings for the characters, brashly announced them far in advance, and asked us to stick around to watch the not-so-proverbial train wreck.

In a statement of cruel irony, Chris Goutman states in the Michael Logan interview: "We’re trying to bring a 54-year-old show to a satisfactory and emotional wrap-up and to call it difficult would be the understatement of the century…Right to the end we will put out the message that life goes on. Long after ATWT is off the air, we want our characters to still be living their lives in the imaginations of the viewers."

Unfortunately, TPTB have conclusively decided that for Reid, at least, life does not go on. By doing so, they have sent a message, however unintentional, but received very loudly and clearly by the LGBT community saying that “life goes on….unless you happen to be gay.”

So while Luke and Reid will continue to live happily ever after in our imaginations and through fan fiction, that “life goes on” is not the message that the show will leave us with. The image of Reid lying on his death bed, which in my recollection is one of the more gruesome publicity stills to grace the soap mags in recent days, is already making its way around the Internet. Moreover, based on the timing of the “organ donor” scene within this week’s preview video, it was arbitrarily (but seemingly cruelly) designated as the default icon by YouTube for those clips.

So instead of a visual image of Luke and Reid sharing one of those “new beginnings” Mr Goutman so proudly trumpeted in the TV Guide interview, Luke and Reid fans will instead be left with the horrifying image of Reid’s broken body, mourned by Luke’s broken heart, indelibly etched in our mind’s eye.

Let me take the homophobia issue out of the discussion for a moment. I know for many both in and outside the LGBT community the implied homophobia is overwhelming:  the endgame and the treatment of ATWT’s gay characters are inseparable (there are enough issues surrounding that topic to warrant a separate future post, so I won’t elaborate here).

But I come from this perspective: One thing I believe open-minded people of all sexual orientations want is to be treated equally. If I forget that Luke and Reid are gay, and consider them as I would any fictional couple that I happen to have fallen in love with, then the universal tragedy that remains for me is that by poor execution of the soap-opera-making craft, TPTB have ruined a classic soap romance that has spawned legions of devoted followers.

Let me step back and pretend I don’t love Luke and Reid. Even so, I have to believe that this is not a satisfying storyline for who don’t give a hoot about Luke, Reid, Katie, or Chris. Instead of celebrating their love for the show and grief at losing their favorite characters, viewers are being subjected to a week’s worth of emotional manipulation.

And to what gain? So that one of daytime’s most interesting and complex characters (not to mention one of the best-drawn gay characters in television), can act as deus ex machina, conveniently tying up the “new beginnings” for the show’s other (straight characters) with a big bow? What a waste. And the accompanying leaks have only fueled speculation and taken away our ability to mourn the loss of a lifelong companion and enjoy the last few LuRe scenes we’ve gotten (always fearing they may be the last).

As the World Turns has survived for 54 years as a stylized mirror of our lives – enhancing the romance, and scandalizing the “bad parts.” At its best, we lived vicariously through the characters’ triumphs and happiness, and felt better about our own lives watching the onscreen turmoil. Yet in this case, many of us have not yet found anything noble or heroic in the end of Luke and Reid’s storyline, with many fans reporting anxiety, crying jags (long before the train even appeared), and inability to sleep. Rather, Luke and Reid’s tragedy has compounded and amplified the sadness many already felt at the show’s cancellation.

For Luke and Reid fans, and perhaps many others, this storyline fails along both fronts – their happiness was so fleeting as to be heartbreaking not uplifting, and Reid’s death was so unnecessary that it has failed to evoke appreciation of the heroism and tragedy among those of us who should be most moved, and instead has left only anger and bitterness at the mishandling of our favorite storyline and characteres in its wake.

At this point, rather than savoring each precious remaining minute, TPTB have made me wish I could just click my heels three times and wake to find that what often felt like “a real, truly live place” was truly just a fleeting dream.

Like Reid Oliver, As the World Turns will die an unnecessary death – one that could have been prevented with more creative leadership, fewer stunt-casting guest stars du jour and lame plot devices, balanced storylines, marketing that takes advantage of new media and acknowledges the many fans following internationally and via timeshifting, more focus on the compelling characters they’ve created along the way, fearless storytelling, and a return to the love stories, relationship building and pure romance that once characterized great American soap operas.

May they both rest in peace.

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4 Responses to “Pay (no) attention to the man behind the curtain…”

  1. Barb says:

    I agree with everything you said!!! TPTB took the safe way out with the LuRe love story. What should have ended in blissful joy that these two people finally found true love and were going to build on that love was cast aside for the “safe” ending by not letting them consummate their love (either on or off screen) and then killing Reid to save Chris (who just so happens to be a Hughes (and a straight man)…no nepotism there!!!

    The writers have subjected Luke to so many problems and obstacles in his young life and now he’ll have to deal with the overwhelming grief that the love he shared with Reid is gone forever…It’s just too much to bare…

    Over on soaps.com, a fan has posted an alternate ending to the LuRe love story which is so well-written that the poster should have written for ATWT, or for any soap for that matter, it’s that good! It brightened my day reading it and actually made me feel pretty darn good about the ending. If you have the chance, check out the ATWT message board. It’s posted under several different threads, i.e., “Reid Spoiler”, page 8, I believe. I don’t care what the writers at ATWT have written for LuRe’s endgame…I’ve already printed out a copy of the posters ending to keep always and that’s the one I’ll always remember…

    Again, thanks for your labor of love on this site. I fell hopelessly in love with LuRe, long before they fell in love with each other, and I’ll always be in love with them…if only in my dreams…and oh, by the way, did you say they were gay? I never noticed that! I was always too busy watching and savoring the best love story I have had the pleasure of watching in a long time!!! Gay, huh? Hmmm, imagine that (and believe you me, I’ve imagined them doing a lot of things and it was pure and beautiful (not to mention extremely hot and sexy!!!).

    • lovelure says:

      Hi, Barb,
      Thanks for the post – it made me smile, in spite of what’s going on in LuRe world. If you get a chance, can you please comment with a link to the ATWT Reid Spoiler link? Thanks!

  2. Susan says:

    Seen alot of shock and heartbreak in 35 years of watching ATWT. After watching Luke suffer for years and finally find true happiness and some form of peace in Reid (who could only be called a savior for Luke and the show had it continued) , having Reid die is a sickening , easy way out ending. Reid could have been shown in many other ways to have reached a pinacle of change without dying. So many people used Eric and Van’s portrayal of this beautiful love story/relationship as an escape or example of mature love and committement. Who cares if the soap was ending! The writers disrespected the viewers by killing the very essence of what would have made ATWT a popular soap again. A believable , lovable , sarcastic character in love with a loved, adorable, sweet legacy character – with the relationship that carried respect, arguments, caring, chemistry, sexuality, challenge and pure unexplainable love. Not to mention they just pure broke our hearts.

  3. fantasy0106 says:

    It seemed to me time to react … I thought it was the only person who cried when he read spoilers and nobody listened. I am sad, disappointed the turn of LURE is frustrating.
    Reid did not deserve to die … and Luke did not deserve to be without Reid.
    After years of watching Luke mistakes, finally we have seen grow up, recognize the difference between love and infatuation, now that we saw her move to another level character kill the person who is in love.
    I strongly disagree with the ending sucks!

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